Started again

Mr Ryzner speaking.

Mr Yellop offering to act for Corporation in absence of their health and safety advisor.

Inspector has accepted that he will represent both Corporation and DoI.

Questions to whole DoI team.

Mr Hannay. Who set proposals maintain levels of car parking?  Answer: Mr Cretney and policy maintained by Mr Gawne.

Mr Hannay.  Re Puffin crossing in Church Street been changed to zebra.

Mr Hannay - moving coach park to Stratallan Crescent. Agreed.

Mr Hannay - Zebra crossing questions.

Mr Quirk - questions about side of road. Why did Council change view. answer policy changed due to weight of opposition from hoteliers etc.

Mr quirk - why so much weight in favour attached to business? answer consultation.

mr quirk - re shared use of track for electric trams. No plans for now.

mr quirk - questions answered about curbs?

Mr Davidson admits people confused about shared space. Only in the cultural area is it shared space.

Mr quirk - why engage a shared space concept then? Not binding.

Mr quirk - mixing trams a recipe for disaster? No

Mr quirk - questions about access to shops. Not on agenda/

Mr Quirk - why use electric trams as example if not going to be used? Why use Disney used as an example?

Bit bogged down.

Question re single track in centre of road. Rejected on safety grounds.  Looked at extending pavements too.

Too many questions by Mr quirk to record them all.

Queens gardens - taken into account access to sewerage tanks.

No agreement to buy land for Queens Gardens.

Waiting to ask my questions about consultation and confusion about siting of tracks.

Tracks will be on the road not walkway at bottom of broadway.

Many further questions from Mr Quirk.


Lost a lot of reporting about Mr Quirks questions.

Murray Lambden asked questions about the adequacy of 2014 consultation to justify a major reversal of policy.

Murray Lambden asked questions about confusion of track site.

Answers as expected.

Dudley Dutt asking good questions about when the change ofpolicy arose. Change of minister when Mr Gawne appointed.

 Always 300 empty spaces in Chester Street. Why provide spaces in sea side of prom?

Dudley Butt why not stay in middle of road? Resurfaced previously. Answer, not resurfaced but re-built. Tracks are also older now and won't last for ever.

Mr Butt suggested removing parking in a limited number of places might solve the problem of passing cars. No

Mr Butt - is it possible to use pavement on Loch Prom for trams. Yes, but decision taken.


Mr Pennington  - questions about modelling. how does it cope with double parking and queues for reversing into spaces. Didn't really follow answer.

Mr Pennington - re roundabouts. assume driver behaviour is good. Only single lane entry to roundabouts. Provision for two lane approaches? High risk approach if single lane doesn't work.

Mr Pennington - are you confident single lane is sufficient? Yes

Mr Fayle - are they definite plans? Referring to indicative plans. Why is indicative used? Planning application drawings not detailed working plans.

Mr Fayle - re shared space. Videos suggest it was.  Has the role of distribution role been considered for this type of traffic system? Has it been compared to something similar? They looked at various schemes. Taken the best examples.

Mr Davidson thinks we will have such a good scheme that other places will want to model their schemes on ours.

Mrs Bridson - a lot of questions coming up.

Changes of times will vary at all times of day.

Models will take account of side roads too.

All policies considered.

Pedestrians links improve access to prom? The number of links

No cycle route. How will they cope? Model doesn't deal with cyclists.

Impact of 5 year construction? Can't model it. May have to be one way controls. Phases, sub-phases and sub-sub-phases.

Will walkway be used as highway? No.

Will it improve all traffic or will there be negatives because of people using alternative routes? Don't know.

Concerns about risk to cyclists. share space with pedestrians. Concern about cyclists and tram tracks.

Pelican or zebra crossing safer? Depends on user groups.

Central median strips. Two lanes of traffic at one go or not? Not a pedestrian refuge.

Which house style will it match? Consistent on prom but not through all of Douglas.

50 year plan. Durability of products. Yes.

Is tarmac suitable for walkway? Pragmatic

Blackpool comparison. Materials not fit for purpose.

Mr Thomson has also worked on Colwyn Bay. Happy with suitability for differences.

Differences in stopping distances Blackpool v Isle of Man.

How the walkway is used. Different to other locations.

Increase in walkway increasing 2,700 sq ft BUT current walkers deterred from using tram strip. DoI will revert and give full explanation.

Mrs Bridson estimates 2,600 square feel lost by horse tram strip? They will revert.

Mrs sayle - tactile surfaces.

Mr Churcher - 3 metres width waste of space reserved for trams

Mrs Bridson  - questions about visual impact. Answer (of course) not too bad.

Mrs Bridson - signs about safety not good for conservation area. Answer - balancing act,

Mrs Bridson - over 50 references to warning signs. Visable clutter.

Mrs Bridson contrast with current uncluttered appearance at present.

mrs Bridson - sea debris on track.

Mrs Bridson - understanding of open space? Degree of modification.  HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL CHANGE HOW THEY USE  THE PROMENADE WALKWAY

Black tarmac can be more than one colour!

Mr Butt -will removal of current walkway design be a negative move? no

Inspectors question

Conservation area is 1.5 miles long. Does the plan enhance all of the four parts?

How much did they take conservation area into account?

Don't really understand the answers. Remove clutter from front of Gaiety.

landscaping expect not consulted on northern end of prom.

Question about removing free space in Queens Gardens. thinks "Space can cope."

Have the design team visited Poignton? only 300 yards long.

Any distinction?

Picking up on "not a shared space but a low speed something but Walkway is shared space."

Issues re landscaping. Hybrid proposal.

Mr Thomson supporting plans for hybrid scheme.