Introduction by inspector.
Reviewing process for those not in attendance earlier.
DoI and consultants introducing themselves again.
DoI re-stating in summary what was said today.
About 6 people have indicated that they wish to speak in opposition,.
Will take the comments from the objectors first and then Maria Bridson and then Murray Lambden.
225 i.nitial objections. After amended scheme including 51 new and 91 repeats. 275 different representation.
One one supported whole case. Some partially supported.
Main focus is the relocation is the relocation of the trams, safety and conservation area
Objections too on cost ground or the car parking arrangements.
Concerns about share space.
Lots of other objections too.
Some wished to move the trams to other locations.
Inspector continuing to explain his role,
Starting to hear objections.
Chris Cale to speak
References to car parking plans for the port area. Is it really necessary to provide so many spaces?
Mr Burroughs replying. Accepts under use at Chester Street. Shop keepers feel they would be disadvantaged by having to walk from car parks.
Murray Lambden confirmed that a reply to Chris Thomas MHK in the House of Keys stated that there would 56o public car parking spaces at Fort Street.
Mr Cale advocated a permit system for hotels on the prom.
Mr Cale also stressed the amenity value of the promenade>
Dave Schuster objecting.
Safety the main concern. Gone from a sensible plan to an over elaborate scheme. Believes trams could be run in the middle of the road. Isle of Man cannot afford such a scheme.
Mr Schuster criticises the lack of co-ordination with sea defence projections.
Promenade is the unique selling point.
Anne Marie Rivers - retailing and parking taking too high priority.
Not mentioned an accident involving a tram.
Mrs Harrison Douglas Corporation responding to mention of tram accident. Circumstances different.
Mike Newby re risk assessment.
Critical of the risk assessment.
Objectives should be prioritised.
Mr Butt re loss of amenity.
References to promoting health and exercise in the isle of Man, Far more people take part in sport than in UK.
Have they sufficiently covered the amenity value. Support shared space on road.
Kevin Graham - option A would have been ok.
Tim Knott - agrees with mr Butt. Is value of amenity retained or enhanced? Close to residential area, lack of gardens.
2014 against scheme. Challenging whether space is really being increased. Tram area will be excluded by design. Two prams side by side can be enough to block the space.
An area of safety and tranquility. Its well lit too,
Shouldn't remove parts of Queens Garden.
Agreed with neither A or B at 2014 consultation.
92 alternative options.
Comments re shared space. cars abuse shared space on quay.
Murray Lambden ranted
I'll publish my statement as intended later.
The inspector is reviewing Mrs Bridson's detailed objection.
Mrs Bridson suggested a concept of shared surface.
Discussions about a possible sea wall.
No budget for sea wall. A report about the possibility but nothing else.
Mr Cale - lack of decision about sea wall undermines all the other decision making.
Geoffrey Robinson - no intention to build sea wall within next 5 years. Potential for sea wall in 5 to 20 years.
Mr Butt - scheme A will avoid need to worry about sea wall,
Mrs Bridson drew attention to Douglas Corporation debate on sea wall in September.
Also drew attention to the possible further narrowing of walkway by flood defence system.
Mr Quirk is back.
Draft policy statement re flooding..
Regular discussions with MUA and Manx Gas so that everything is co-ordinated.
mr Quirk drew attention to storm damage in 2014.
Mr Newby challenging whether adequate records of incidents involving the horse trams.
Phil Coates - increased use of walkway. To take advice from attorney general and railway inspector.
Andy Bridson - at least 2 incidents. If they happen on walkway the consequences much worse.
Mrs Bridson asking questions of Mr Barnett.
Is the onus for safety on applicant. Yes.
Belief that they will be safe. NO EVIDENCE
Comparisons with Blackpool and Disney. Any background evidence. NO
Overall walkway increasing amount of space. What is the overall plan area? THEY NEED TO BE SPECIFIC
Will people be restricted in their use of the horse tram corridor? People can walk across it,
How to avoid side sweep? Part of the operation is to stop if necessary?
Stopping distance? Not known by DoI.
Questions about lighting for crossing. Visually impaired would like all crossings to be pelican crossings.
Pedestrian counts on all crossings.
Why is parking on sea side as that means more crossing? Gateway feature is at end of Victoria Street.
How will visitors understand different crossing systems?
Mr Podmore blamed Blackpool failure on watered down shared space. How do we know that Manx system will work.
Mr Davidson taken best parts of Blackpool scheme.
questions about minimum space. Cars can be parked in either direction on road next to horse trams.
Will cars in one part have to cross over median area?
Cars will have to wait in narrow parts for cars parking.
Lack of cycle path - does it comply with good practice.
17,500 cars a day will cyclists wish to share the road.
Wall of parked cars. Designing a road or car park? road
No details of street furniture. Council deciding.
Recognise that people don't want to sit by sea wall? Aim to try and use mixed use.
Lack of information about lighting. Council responsible.
Increased noise from different road sets. No
Still aspects of design safety than could be changed.
Railway Regulations re rail safety. Responsibility starts at the beginning of the process. Reverse engineering.
Mrs Bridson continuing to challenge. Not popular with DoI at the moment.
GLAD SHE IS ON OUR SIDE.
Use of motor vehicles for sweeping horse manure. "TALKING ABOUT IT."
Not to use tram corridor for emptying bins therefore continually moving out.
No strong safety grounds for moving trams?
Is it incumbent on DoI to take a wider view re parking, flood walls.
If a child is injured? who will be responsible? Listing about 10 options.
Maria Bridson has finished.
Mr Cale - has population increase been taken into account? Yes but long answer.
Mr Cale concerned about peak traffic flows in TT week etc.
Mr Schuster - expected number of visitors.
NO PEDESTRIAN MODELS - NOBODY KNOWS HOW MANY PEDESTRIANS USE WALKWAY
Inspector asking why not?
No design guidelines on shared use of walkway?
Mr Butt - Designed option A so why can't it work now?
Dudley Butt praised Maria Bridson and there was a round of applause.
Inspector himself asking lots of critical questions now
Mr Butt continuing to push for option A.
Inspector: "we are not here to design a road scheme".
Mr Cale refers to increasing use of walkway for events.
Mr Knott - distinction between organised events and personal ise.
Mr Quirk - Douglas plan, promenade in public open space..
Unsure whether it is whole prom or part of it.
Final question - Andrew Cairns. Thanked inspector for putting on evening session.
Reference to effect of fun fair and use of traffic for car parking.
technical questions but answers not available.
Catching up with years of under investment in sea wall.
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