Returned to procedure.
Planning application
Inspector also inspector for phase 1.
Phase 2 reviewed but withdrawn.
Designation of all four sections of promenade.
Mr Balmer presenting.
Inspector looking a map.
Mr Balmar talking through the various parts of the prom.
Walkway not all shaded in green colour as Loch prom.
question arises about Harris, Central and Queens.
Map not as intended.
Established use of open space.
Interrupted by Mrs Bridson.
Quoting planning guidelines.
Inspector asks does anyone think its not open space?
DoI don't think it is open space!!
DoI have conceded that it should be treated as open space and any event it is conservation area.
THE INSPECTOR IS QUITE CLEAR WHAT HE IS GOING TO REPORT
There may be a loss of open space.
Area used by tram may be open space but used by tram.
Mr Balmar agrees that it will change the appearance and character of the conservation area.
A report will be submitted after the inquiry re conclusion re conservation area.
Preserve or enhance.
Murray has left the building
Thursday 26 November 2015
Morning blog
Inspector says its a better venue!
What lies ahead
A few extra attendees.
Aim to finish between 5 to 6 pm.
Douglas Corporation first
then planning control
then highway services division
Manx National Heritage will attend this afternoon.
Part 2 of the agenda.
Tramway will be just a checklist given what has already been covered.
Risk assessment.
4 separate risk assessment.
ML advised that Mrs Bridson would be attending at some stage.
ML asked if the inspector would allow him to seek clarification at an early stage re public open space. The inspector said that he would deal with it when he questions Mr Bulmer.
Douglas corporation case has begun
Full flood risk assessment not necessary but applicant should make one.
DOI HAVE NOT DONE FULL FLOOD RISK
DoI trying to blame it on planning office.
3 statements submitted
Inspector summarising submissions before they speak.
Council committed with expenditure for stables.
140th anniversary in 2016
Inspector asking for clarification.
what is a typical operation?
Mid-May to Mid-September; 9 am and 6 pm.
23 return journeys
2 trams at a time.
Are passing places adequate?
One full place and two sidings. yes.
Will be permanently restricted with new arrangement.
Discussions about width of promenade required for tracks.
Maria Bridson has arrived and I have given up my table at the front to allow her to take a seat. I've moved to the back where I can recharge my batteries although its hard to hear.
Inspector questioning the new experience.
Better views. Relaunch. Good marketing.
Asking questions about bye-laws and horses. Same as dogs?
Explaining animal nappies!
Mr Hannay claims that horse manure is not cleared after last tram.
Corporation will review systems.
Mrs Churcher - how long does waste stand? Can't predict.
Will new signs and shelters be on route?
Not finalised plans yet.
Will walkway be cluttered? Inspector finds Douglas cluttered generally.
Its not trams but shelters and signs.
Where are they at with design? Sketch sign for signs. Not yet approval for funding!!
Design started in 2011.
When did they commission Pegasus? april 2015.
risk assessment not part of initial design.
Why so late? Deemed not changing.
Up till change Douglas thought it would remain in carriageway.
What happens to historic lighting?
Inspector noting removal of palm trees and may affect other trees in garden?
Any liaision with landscape architect?
Plants will be relocated.
Must preserve or enhance a conservation area. How when trees being removed? Repeated that they will be moved.
Now speaking to Mr Crellin tramway supervisor for horses.
When was he first involved in move to walkway? 2014
Mr Crellin based at the stables which will move to terminus.
Has also been a driver. 70 years experience with Peter Cannon who is the operations supervisor.
4 drivers. Some are trained as drivers and conductors.
What about single carriageway on road?
Mr Cannon explaining that horses currently about 5 feet from cars in opposite direction.
Traffic may be confused without demarcation.
need curb on other side of trams or raised platforms.
Considering how much some of the consultants are paid I wish they would speak up. Can't hear the comments about width required.
Mr Butt asked about contraction. Yesterday it was horses couldn't cope. Today it is the cars. Inspector said he knew that, that is why he was asking the question.
Mr Cannon says tram will always stop if they see a danger ahead. Mr Cannon had accidents with two cars. Never had an accident with a pedestrian. Has seen cyclists fall off after getting tyre in track.
Questions:
Mr Hannay - detailed letter in October 2014. Received no reply. Copied letter to counciller and town clerk. Letter copied to all council. Cannot submit letter because of his previous role as director of highways. Letter contained details of matters during his employment.
Minutes of meeting 14/11/14 - Mr Black and Mr Robinson were in attendance. Corporation "told" that if trams not on walkway they could not operate for 5 years. If located next to road then corpy would want parking on walkway. Was that why corporation changed mind?
Mrs Harrison cannot be expected to know minds of councillers.
Mrs Harrison - several other factors. Resolved in April to support scheme as now stands.
Mr Hannay re exhibition in October 2014 raised concerns about children running into tram. Plan to lower wall? Reply from DoI other plans to imprive visibility.
Mr Hannay - vehicles for gardens next to wall. How will they manage when trams there? Park further out or out of hours!
Mr Hannay - re funfair. Where will seating be in relation to funfair? TT service truncated during TT so experience of TT will be missed..
Mrs Harrison - funfair not certain indefinitely.
Mr Hannay - has observed 5 or 6 de-railments. If there was a derailment it would be more serious?
Mr Cannon - never experienced a tram de-railment travel very far.
Inspector asking Mr Cannon about difference of operating on walkway? Vision very good. Invited inspector to travel on tram. Main objector to get up and down promenade safely that won't change.
Inspector - no difference in risk? Mr Cannon - different risks will be factored in to operation.
Mr Quirk told not to repeat questions.
Mr quirk re queens gardens - duty to protect gardens. Is it servicing rate payers well by removing green space?
Mrs Harrison - may enhance Queens Gardens.
Mr quirk claiming the gardens are used for sport? Mrs Harrison doesn't believe use will diminish.
Mr Quirk - driving licence requirement. None.
Inspector says the risk assessment is not confidential
Mr Butt also wrote to corporation about their view on moving trams.
Mr churcher re different operations. Fewer stops. Horse will be at same speed as now. Drivers will adjust to circumstances.
Mr Alistair Inving - Will dogs have an impact? Mr Cannon. No problems with dogs. If drivers have to act they will do so.
Re new tramline. New tramlines are suitable for MER or trams.
Mrs De Haven - stopping distance? Will be in risk assessment.
Mr Murphy - how do you define a hazard? Will tram always be stopping?
Mr Cannon - whole ethos is to be alert. Judgmental.
Mr Murphy made a statement.
Mrs Newton - tram stopping short of sea terminal. Mrs Harrison - will provide information at visitor centre.
Mrs Newton - how long will trams be out of action? Phase work so that tram tracks laid first.
Mrs Bridson - can't hear questions. Think they relate to shelters and extra equipment on walkway.
Mrs Bridson - trees and conservation area. Detrimental affect? Mrs Harrison repeating that trees will be relocated and may add extra plants to Queens Gardens.
Mrs Bridson - dogs allowed off lead on beach. Still have under control.
Discussion about dogs under effective control.
Inspector - will there be a change in bye-law for dogs? Not at moment.
Mrs Bridson - will horses be worried about dogs? No. Horses look at dogs and move on!
Questions about brakes. Front and back.
No warning system designed. Foot operated horn? But no decision.
Dealing with head on collision. Risk assessment mitigates this.
Inspector mentioned tokens for passing on single tracks.
What lies ahead
A few extra attendees.
Aim to finish between 5 to 6 pm.
Douglas Corporation first
then planning control
then highway services division
Manx National Heritage will attend this afternoon.
Part 2 of the agenda.
Tramway will be just a checklist given what has already been covered.
Risk assessment.
4 separate risk assessment.
ML advised that Mrs Bridson would be attending at some stage.
ML asked if the inspector would allow him to seek clarification at an early stage re public open space. The inspector said that he would deal with it when he questions Mr Bulmer.
Douglas corporation case has begun
Full flood risk assessment not necessary but applicant should make one.
DOI HAVE NOT DONE FULL FLOOD RISK
DoI trying to blame it on planning office.
3 statements submitted
Inspector summarising submissions before they speak.
Council committed with expenditure for stables.
140th anniversary in 2016
Inspector asking for clarification.
what is a typical operation?
Mid-May to Mid-September; 9 am and 6 pm.
23 return journeys
2 trams at a time.
Are passing places adequate?
One full place and two sidings. yes.
Will be permanently restricted with new arrangement.
Discussions about width of promenade required for tracks.
Maria Bridson has arrived and I have given up my table at the front to allow her to take a seat. I've moved to the back where I can recharge my batteries although its hard to hear.
Inspector questioning the new experience.
Better views. Relaunch. Good marketing.
Asking questions about bye-laws and horses. Same as dogs?
Explaining animal nappies!
Mr Hannay claims that horse manure is not cleared after last tram.
Corporation will review systems.
Mrs Churcher - how long does waste stand? Can't predict.
Will new signs and shelters be on route?
Not finalised plans yet.
Will walkway be cluttered? Inspector finds Douglas cluttered generally.
Its not trams but shelters and signs.
Where are they at with design? Sketch sign for signs. Not yet approval for funding!!
Design started in 2011.
When did they commission Pegasus? april 2015.
risk assessment not part of initial design.
Why so late? Deemed not changing.
Up till change Douglas thought it would remain in carriageway.
What happens to historic lighting?
Inspector noting removal of palm trees and may affect other trees in garden?
Any liaision with landscape architect?
Plants will be relocated.
Must preserve or enhance a conservation area. How when trees being removed? Repeated that they will be moved.
Now speaking to Mr Crellin tramway supervisor for horses.
When was he first involved in move to walkway? 2014
Mr Crellin based at the stables which will move to terminus.
Has also been a driver. 70 years experience with Peter Cannon who is the operations supervisor.
4 drivers. Some are trained as drivers and conductors.
What about single carriageway on road?
Mr Cannon explaining that horses currently about 5 feet from cars in opposite direction.
Traffic may be confused without demarcation.
need curb on other side of trams or raised platforms.
Considering how much some of the consultants are paid I wish they would speak up. Can't hear the comments about width required.
Mr Butt asked about contraction. Yesterday it was horses couldn't cope. Today it is the cars. Inspector said he knew that, that is why he was asking the question.
Mr Cannon says tram will always stop if they see a danger ahead. Mr Cannon had accidents with two cars. Never had an accident with a pedestrian. Has seen cyclists fall off after getting tyre in track.
Questions:
Mr Hannay - detailed letter in October 2014. Received no reply. Copied letter to counciller and town clerk. Letter copied to all council. Cannot submit letter because of his previous role as director of highways. Letter contained details of matters during his employment.
Minutes of meeting 14/11/14 - Mr Black and Mr Robinson were in attendance. Corporation "told" that if trams not on walkway they could not operate for 5 years. If located next to road then corpy would want parking on walkway. Was that why corporation changed mind?
Mrs Harrison cannot be expected to know minds of councillers.
Mrs Harrison - several other factors. Resolved in April to support scheme as now stands.
Mr Hannay re exhibition in October 2014 raised concerns about children running into tram. Plan to lower wall? Reply from DoI other plans to imprive visibility.
Mr Hannay - vehicles for gardens next to wall. How will they manage when trams there? Park further out or out of hours!
Mr Hannay - re funfair. Where will seating be in relation to funfair? TT service truncated during TT so experience of TT will be missed..
Mrs Harrison - funfair not certain indefinitely.
Mr Hannay - has observed 5 or 6 de-railments. If there was a derailment it would be more serious?
Mr Cannon - never experienced a tram de-railment travel very far.
Inspector asking Mr Cannon about difference of operating on walkway? Vision very good. Invited inspector to travel on tram. Main objector to get up and down promenade safely that won't change.
Inspector - no difference in risk? Mr Cannon - different risks will be factored in to operation.
Mr Quirk told not to repeat questions.
Mr quirk re queens gardens - duty to protect gardens. Is it servicing rate payers well by removing green space?
Mrs Harrison - may enhance Queens Gardens.
Mr quirk claiming the gardens are used for sport? Mrs Harrison doesn't believe use will diminish.
Mr Quirk - driving licence requirement. None.
Inspector says the risk assessment is not confidential
Mr Butt also wrote to corporation about their view on moving trams.
Mr churcher re different operations. Fewer stops. Horse will be at same speed as now. Drivers will adjust to circumstances.
Mr Alistair Inving - Will dogs have an impact? Mr Cannon. No problems with dogs. If drivers have to act they will do so.
Re new tramline. New tramlines are suitable for MER or trams.
Mrs De Haven - stopping distance? Will be in risk assessment.
Mr Murphy - how do you define a hazard? Will tram always be stopping?
Mr Cannon - whole ethos is to be alert. Judgmental.
Mr Murphy made a statement.
Mrs Newton - tram stopping short of sea terminal. Mrs Harrison - will provide information at visitor centre.
Mrs Newton - how long will trams be out of action? Phase work so that tram tracks laid first.
Mrs Bridson - can't hear questions. Think they relate to shelters and extra equipment on walkway.
Mrs Bridson - trees and conservation area. Detrimental affect? Mrs Harrison repeating that trees will be relocated and may add extra plants to Queens Gardens.
Mrs Bridson - dogs allowed off lead on beach. Still have under control.
Discussion about dogs under effective control.
Inspector - will there be a change in bye-law for dogs? Not at moment.
Mrs Bridson - will horses be worried about dogs? No. Horses look at dogs and move on!
Questions about brakes. Front and back.
No warning system designed. Foot operated horn? But no decision.
Dealing with head on collision. Risk assessment mitigates this.
Inspector mentioned tokens for passing on single tracks.
Wednesday 25 November 2015
Evening session has started
Introduction by inspector.
Reviewing process for those not in attendance earlier.
DoI and consultants introducing themselves again.
DoI re-stating in summary what was said today.
About 6 people have indicated that they wish to speak in opposition,.
Will take the comments from the objectors first and then Maria Bridson and then Murray Lambden.
225 i.nitial objections. After amended scheme including 51 new and 91 repeats. 275 different representation.
One one supported whole case. Some partially supported.
Main focus is the relocation is the relocation of the trams, safety and conservation area
Objections too on cost ground or the car parking arrangements.
Concerns about share space.
Lots of other objections too.
Some wished to move the trams to other locations.
Inspector continuing to explain his role,
Starting to hear objections.
Chris Cale to speak
References to car parking plans for the port area. Is it really necessary to provide so many spaces?
Mr Burroughs replying. Accepts under use at Chester Street. Shop keepers feel they would be disadvantaged by having to walk from car parks.
Murray Lambden confirmed that a reply to Chris Thomas MHK in the House of Keys stated that there would 56o public car parking spaces at Fort Street.
Mr Cale advocated a permit system for hotels on the prom.
Mr Cale also stressed the amenity value of the promenade>
Dave Schuster objecting.
Safety the main concern. Gone from a sensible plan to an over elaborate scheme. Believes trams could be run in the middle of the road. Isle of Man cannot afford such a scheme.
Mr Schuster criticises the lack of co-ordination with sea defence projections.
Promenade is the unique selling point.
Anne Marie Rivers - retailing and parking taking too high priority.
Not mentioned an accident involving a tram.
Mrs Harrison Douglas Corporation responding to mention of tram accident. Circumstances different.
Mike Newby re risk assessment.
Critical of the risk assessment.
Objectives should be prioritised.
Mr Butt re loss of amenity.
References to promoting health and exercise in the isle of Man, Far more people take part in sport than in UK.
Have they sufficiently covered the amenity value. Support shared space on road.
Kevin Graham - option A would have been ok.
Tim Knott - agrees with mr Butt. Is value of amenity retained or enhanced? Close to residential area, lack of gardens.
2014 against scheme. Challenging whether space is really being increased. Tram area will be excluded by design. Two prams side by side can be enough to block the space.
An area of safety and tranquility. Its well lit too,
Shouldn't remove parts of Queens Garden.
Agreed with neither A or B at 2014 consultation.
92 alternative options.
Comments re shared space. cars abuse shared space on quay.
Murray Lambden ranted
I'll publish my statement as intended later.
The inspector is reviewing Mrs Bridson's detailed objection.
Mrs Bridson suggested a concept of shared surface.
Discussions about a possible sea wall.
No budget for sea wall. A report about the possibility but nothing else.
Mr Cale - lack of decision about sea wall undermines all the other decision making.
Geoffrey Robinson - no intention to build sea wall within next 5 years. Potential for sea wall in 5 to 20 years.
Mr Butt - scheme A will avoid need to worry about sea wall,
Mrs Bridson drew attention to Douglas Corporation debate on sea wall in September.
Also drew attention to the possible further narrowing of walkway by flood defence system.
Mr Quirk is back.
Draft policy statement re flooding..
Regular discussions with MUA and Manx Gas so that everything is co-ordinated.
mr Quirk drew attention to storm damage in 2014.
Mr Newby challenging whether adequate records of incidents involving the horse trams.
Phil Coates - increased use of walkway. To take advice from attorney general and railway inspector.
Andy Bridson - at least 2 incidents. If they happen on walkway the consequences much worse.
Mrs Bridson asking questions of Mr Barnett.
Is the onus for safety on applicant. Yes.
Belief that they will be safe. NO EVIDENCE
Comparisons with Blackpool and Disney. Any background evidence. NO
Overall walkway increasing amount of space. What is the overall plan area? THEY NEED TO BE SPECIFIC
Will people be restricted in their use of the horse tram corridor? People can walk across it,
How to avoid side sweep? Part of the operation is to stop if necessary?
Stopping distance? Not known by DoI.
Questions about lighting for crossing. Visually impaired would like all crossings to be pelican crossings.
Pedestrian counts on all crossings.
Why is parking on sea side as that means more crossing? Gateway feature is at end of Victoria Street.
How will visitors understand different crossing systems?
Mr Podmore blamed Blackpool failure on watered down shared space. How do we know that Manx system will work.
Mr Davidson taken best parts of Blackpool scheme.
questions about minimum space. Cars can be parked in either direction on road next to horse trams.
Will cars in one part have to cross over median area?
Cars will have to wait in narrow parts for cars parking.
Lack of cycle path - does it comply with good practice.
17,500 cars a day will cyclists wish to share the road.
Wall of parked cars. Designing a road or car park? road
No details of street furniture. Council deciding.
Recognise that people don't want to sit by sea wall? Aim to try and use mixed use.
Lack of information about lighting. Council responsible.
Increased noise from different road sets. No
Still aspects of design safety than could be changed.
Railway Regulations re rail safety. Responsibility starts at the beginning of the process. Reverse engineering.
Mrs Bridson continuing to challenge. Not popular with DoI at the moment.
GLAD SHE IS ON OUR SIDE.
Use of motor vehicles for sweeping horse manure. "TALKING ABOUT IT."
Not to use tram corridor for emptying bins therefore continually moving out.
No strong safety grounds for moving trams?
Is it incumbent on DoI to take a wider view re parking, flood walls.
If a child is injured? who will be responsible? Listing about 10 options.
Maria Bridson has finished.
Mr Cale - has population increase been taken into account? Yes but long answer.
Mr Cale concerned about peak traffic flows in TT week etc.
Mr Schuster - expected number of visitors.
NO PEDESTRIAN MODELS - NOBODY KNOWS HOW MANY PEDESTRIANS USE WALKWAY
Inspector asking why not?
No design guidelines on shared use of walkway?
Mr Butt - Designed option A so why can't it work now?
Dudley Butt praised Maria Bridson and there was a round of applause.
Inspector himself asking lots of critical questions now
Mr Butt continuing to push for option A.
Inspector: "we are not here to design a road scheme".
Mr Cale refers to increasing use of walkway for events.
Mr Knott - distinction between organised events and personal ise.
Mr Quirk - Douglas plan, promenade in public open space..
Unsure whether it is whole prom or part of it.
Final question - Andrew Cairns. Thanked inspector for putting on evening session.
Reference to effect of fun fair and use of traffic for car parking.
technical questions but answers not available.
Catching up with years of under investment in sea wall.
Reviewing process for those not in attendance earlier.
DoI and consultants introducing themselves again.
DoI re-stating in summary what was said today.
About 6 people have indicated that they wish to speak in opposition,.
Will take the comments from the objectors first and then Maria Bridson and then Murray Lambden.
225 i.nitial objections. After amended scheme including 51 new and 91 repeats. 275 different representation.
One one supported whole case. Some partially supported.
Main focus is the relocation is the relocation of the trams, safety and conservation area
Objections too on cost ground or the car parking arrangements.
Concerns about share space.
Lots of other objections too.
Some wished to move the trams to other locations.
Inspector continuing to explain his role,
Starting to hear objections.
Chris Cale to speak
References to car parking plans for the port area. Is it really necessary to provide so many spaces?
Mr Burroughs replying. Accepts under use at Chester Street. Shop keepers feel they would be disadvantaged by having to walk from car parks.
Murray Lambden confirmed that a reply to Chris Thomas MHK in the House of Keys stated that there would 56o public car parking spaces at Fort Street.
Mr Cale advocated a permit system for hotels on the prom.
Mr Cale also stressed the amenity value of the promenade>
Dave Schuster objecting.
Safety the main concern. Gone from a sensible plan to an over elaborate scheme. Believes trams could be run in the middle of the road. Isle of Man cannot afford such a scheme.
Mr Schuster criticises the lack of co-ordination with sea defence projections.
Promenade is the unique selling point.
Anne Marie Rivers - retailing and parking taking too high priority.
Not mentioned an accident involving a tram.
Mrs Harrison Douglas Corporation responding to mention of tram accident. Circumstances different.
Mike Newby re risk assessment.
Critical of the risk assessment.
Objectives should be prioritised.
Mr Butt re loss of amenity.
References to promoting health and exercise in the isle of Man, Far more people take part in sport than in UK.
Have they sufficiently covered the amenity value. Support shared space on road.
Kevin Graham - option A would have been ok.
Tim Knott - agrees with mr Butt. Is value of amenity retained or enhanced? Close to residential area, lack of gardens.
2014 against scheme. Challenging whether space is really being increased. Tram area will be excluded by design. Two prams side by side can be enough to block the space.
An area of safety and tranquility. Its well lit too,
Shouldn't remove parts of Queens Garden.
Agreed with neither A or B at 2014 consultation.
92 alternative options.
Comments re shared space. cars abuse shared space on quay.
Murray Lambden ranted
I'll publish my statement as intended later.
The inspector is reviewing Mrs Bridson's detailed objection.
Mrs Bridson suggested a concept of shared surface.
Discussions about a possible sea wall.
No budget for sea wall. A report about the possibility but nothing else.
Mr Cale - lack of decision about sea wall undermines all the other decision making.
Geoffrey Robinson - no intention to build sea wall within next 5 years. Potential for sea wall in 5 to 20 years.
Mr Butt - scheme A will avoid need to worry about sea wall,
Mrs Bridson drew attention to Douglas Corporation debate on sea wall in September.
Also drew attention to the possible further narrowing of walkway by flood defence system.
Mr Quirk is back.
Draft policy statement re flooding..
Regular discussions with MUA and Manx Gas so that everything is co-ordinated.
mr Quirk drew attention to storm damage in 2014.
Mr Newby challenging whether adequate records of incidents involving the horse trams.
Phil Coates - increased use of walkway. To take advice from attorney general and railway inspector.
Andy Bridson - at least 2 incidents. If they happen on walkway the consequences much worse.
Mrs Bridson asking questions of Mr Barnett.
Is the onus for safety on applicant. Yes.
Belief that they will be safe. NO EVIDENCE
Comparisons with Blackpool and Disney. Any background evidence. NO
Overall walkway increasing amount of space. What is the overall plan area? THEY NEED TO BE SPECIFIC
Will people be restricted in their use of the horse tram corridor? People can walk across it,
How to avoid side sweep? Part of the operation is to stop if necessary?
Stopping distance? Not known by DoI.
Questions about lighting for crossing. Visually impaired would like all crossings to be pelican crossings.
Pedestrian counts on all crossings.
Why is parking on sea side as that means more crossing? Gateway feature is at end of Victoria Street.
How will visitors understand different crossing systems?
Mr Podmore blamed Blackpool failure on watered down shared space. How do we know that Manx system will work.
Mr Davidson taken best parts of Blackpool scheme.
questions about minimum space. Cars can be parked in either direction on road next to horse trams.
Will cars in one part have to cross over median area?
Cars will have to wait in narrow parts for cars parking.
Lack of cycle path - does it comply with good practice.
17,500 cars a day will cyclists wish to share the road.
Wall of parked cars. Designing a road or car park? road
No details of street furniture. Council deciding.
Recognise that people don't want to sit by sea wall? Aim to try and use mixed use.
Lack of information about lighting. Council responsible.
Increased noise from different road sets. No
Still aspects of design safety than could be changed.
Railway Regulations re rail safety. Responsibility starts at the beginning of the process. Reverse engineering.
Mrs Bridson continuing to challenge. Not popular with DoI at the moment.
GLAD SHE IS ON OUR SIDE.
Use of motor vehicles for sweeping horse manure. "TALKING ABOUT IT."
Not to use tram corridor for emptying bins therefore continually moving out.
No strong safety grounds for moving trams?
Is it incumbent on DoI to take a wider view re parking, flood walls.
If a child is injured? who will be responsible? Listing about 10 options.
Maria Bridson has finished.
Mr Cale - has population increase been taken into account? Yes but long answer.
Mr Cale concerned about peak traffic flows in TT week etc.
Mr Schuster - expected number of visitors.
NO PEDESTRIAN MODELS - NOBODY KNOWS HOW MANY PEDESTRIANS USE WALKWAY
Inspector asking why not?
No design guidelines on shared use of walkway?
Mr Butt - Designed option A so why can't it work now?
Dudley Butt praised Maria Bridson and there was a round of applause.
Inspector himself asking lots of critical questions now
Mr Butt continuing to push for option A.
Inspector: "we are not here to design a road scheme".
Mr Cale refers to increasing use of walkway for events.
Mr Knott - distinction between organised events and personal ise.
Mr Quirk - Douglas plan, promenade in public open space..
Unsure whether it is whole prom or part of it.
Final question - Andrew Cairns. Thanked inspector for putting on evening session.
Reference to effect of fun fair and use of traffic for car parking.
technical questions but answers not available.
Catching up with years of under investment in sea wall.
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